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Whither the Bottle?
« on: June 04, 2009, 07:18:13 AM »
Interesting blog post from USATF COO Mike McNees.

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In April, I had the pleasure of attending the heralded Penn Relays and "USA vs. the World" for the first time. Held on a perfect spring day, it was a rare event where the reality easily surpassed my expectations, and my expectations were pretty high. My most vivid memories of the day are of the blue sky, the green-and yellow-clad Jamaican fans, the outstanding performances of Team USA, the roar of the crowd ... and the water bottles.

I saw them first as well-organized armies of pallets holding stacks of shrink-wrapped cases waiting for action. Each bottle then lived a short and probably exciting (for a water bottle) life in a tub of ice on the infield, then in the hands of an athlete or official. Sadly, there were no survivors -- at the end of the meet on Saturday there was nary a full bottle to be found, only scores, even thousands of "dead soldiers" covering the infield, like the victims of some pint-sized plastic D-Day. Someone then had to pick them all up so they could be thrown away.

This, of course, is the catch. As sustainability pioneer William McDonough says, there is no such place as "away". Those pieces of shiny plastic are with us essentially forever, perhaps to be recycled into another shape, burned into carcinogenic dioxins, or broken down into smaller pieces to ultimately infiltrate our food chain (see link below).

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In the track and field community, we tend to see ourselves as the more erudite, enlightened end of the sporting spectrum. Is there a "greener" city than Eugene, Oregon, and is it simply coincidence that Eugene bills itself as "Track Town"? I think not. More likely there is a shared ethos between the track and field and environmental communities. My question is, do we continue to perpetuate bottled water, this poster child of our modern, unsustainable excesses, in the name of expedience, convenience, and profit? Or do we say that no, this we can stop?

Our challenge to coaches, associations, meet organizers, including organizers of USATF championship events, and anyone else in decision-making positions, is to say no to bottled water for your track and field events. If you're not sure what the other options are, call an old-timer like me - we'll remember, and be happy to share for all of our sakes.

Some interesting food for thought there, whatever we (and RDs) will choose to do with it. Bottled water is considered the most convenient way to get fluids to the athletes but, in an environmentally conscious sport with participants who seem to be generally more environmentally conscious than the average person, is it the best way? Does it matter? Are bottles really the only practical way?

Interesting links, too. If you've never heard of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, check that link out. It's pretty sobering and I'm sometimes amazed at how few people have heard of it.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2009, 10:44:18 PM »
Thank you for starting this topic thread, Ryan, good food for thought.

Be the change.  Take your own bottle (filled/chilled at home or at a water fountain or sink) to races, skip the post-race bottle gauntlet and head to the car to get your own.  Or get a HydraPouch, carry it in the race to use at water stations then skip said bottle buffet after the race, head to a water fountain or bathroom sink, fill it, and drink up. 
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 01:38:24 AM »
Over the past year or so, at least, there's been discussion about how to make trail races green(er) - on many counts. Here's one link http://blog.irunfar.com/2008/04/earth-week-green-races.html with many other links
but just google on "green races" for lots of others.

I think most of my races, if they have anything at the finish, usually have 5-gal jugs with paper cups or your own water bottle. Most don't provide anything during the race.

But one of our most popular local trail systems was built on landfill land (don't ask). As the landfill expands to the east, we lose trails on the west side, although there's a plan to extend the system to the east. With the few races that have used bottled water, we are highly motivated to recycle. The recycling center is not far away, almost adjacent to the landfill.

I'm in charge of a mtn bike race supporting the trail system and because of the location and date of the race, we'll be celebrating local agriculture (Alaska) by trying to use locally produced food as much as possible rather than stuff from lower 48. Eventually, we'd like to get everyone pre-registered online so there's no registration forms, but that's a way off.

Think green.:)

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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2009, 07:26:18 AM »
Good ideas all around. A bit of food for thought that I've picked up along the way.

  • The water bottle idea by GTF works well. I usually pack all my fluids and often don't take any from a race.
  • Recycling, as mentioned by AKTrail: I've noticed some races beginning to offer both trash and recycling containers instead of just trash. If these aren't available and I do take something that is recyclable, I'll often take it home to recycle it instead of throwing it in the trash.
  • As mentioned or at least alluded to by everyone so far, our public water systems are the best in the world. In almost all circumstances, the water is perfectly safe to drink. Use a nearby faucet or water fountain. Drink straight from it or bring your own reusable water bottle.
  • Time for a question. For the RDs out there, this may be an interesting question to see responses to. If you have the choice between coolers of water and recyclable cups or bottled water, which is better? In my opinion, the coolers of water are probably better because they can be filled locally and the individual use containers (cups or bottles) can be recycled either way. The cups can also be reused as many times as necessary if a runner needs a refill. Also, with coolers of water, there's the option for the runners to use their own reusable water bottles and not even use the individual use containers.

I know I had more I was thinking of initially but it has slipped my mind. Maybe I'll add more thoughts later.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2009, 12:25:38 PM »
Hey Ryan - great topic.  As you know we used gallon jugs (recycled) and paper cups.  I am wondering if we can get some kind of paper cup that will work that can be recycled.  I do not think that the waxy paper cups can be recycled - but I'll look into that.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2009, 03:16:10 PM »
Or perhaps the corn starch cups which are compostable?  Or reusable cups if willing to wash and store them between uses.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 01:49:02 PM »
Washable is no good - would you trust them?  I like the idea of the corn starch ones as long as they will hold water for at least an hour without melting.  I'll check them out - right now.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 10:49:58 PM »
Well yes, it is not tricky to clean and disinfect plastic or metal cups.  I have a corn starch cup that I still use 3+ years after I got it.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 01:55:44 PM »
While it may not be tricky or difficult to wash a plastic or metal cup - several hundred of them is a bit different.  Not letting them dry completely before packing for storage can cause issues - it could take a lot of time to wash, disinfect and dry several hundred cups.  You also have to consider the impact of the water, detergent and disinfectant usage over the years.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 04:04:56 PM »
I would say it is a little impractical to use hundreds of reusable cups. Not just the chore of cleaning and storing them all but also, no matter how carefully you complete the cleaning task, how many people are going to trust that they have been adequately cleaned?

Something disposable does make sense. It would just be nice to see something recyclable or compostable being used at more events so they can be saved from going into the waste stream.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2009, 07:23:23 PM »
You people act like you do not eat out at restaurants or never ate a school lunch or that water is not involved in the manufacture of cups.  It is not that tough to get plastic or metal cups (yes, hundreds) adequately clean and sanitized, it gets done every single school day of the year in your town.  Yes, to the tune of hundreds of them.  For 100-400 I could get it done at home in a single day, with little interruption to my schedule and using less energy and water and giving off less pollution than is required for the manufacture the same amount of single-use cups.  I might even be able to talk to the school district or a restaurant owner and negotiate the use of a commercial dishwasher (pitch it as benefiting the race which benefits a cause and/or the community) during non-school/non-business hours to get it done even more efficiently.  What might be given up in time would be recouped in a lower expense for the race in not needing to buy that amount of single-use cups every single year.  What is coming across is that you just do not want to do it that way, which is fine as an individual choice just do not blow the scope of what it truly requires out of both proportion and perspective in order to get around that.  ;)

Anyway, compostable would seem to be the choice of single-use cup that would come with the lowest overall energy requirement and carbon footprint, though there are typically associated issues with commodity crop opportunity cost as with ethanol and the like.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2009, 07:39:30 AM »
I think the issue would as much as anything be how the runners would react. I'm sure part of it might be irrational reaction but how many runners would trust that the cups have been adequately taken care of? I realize that disposable paper or plastic cups are often not handled in all that sanitary of a manner but people just trust that more than they would cups that were being reused.

I like the concept of reusing cups, which could also be used for multiple races (imagine the Badgerland Striders stocking up on such cups and using them at all Striders events - how much would that save?) but the practicality of human reaction to the cups might be a little questionable.

As for single use, compostable would seem to be the best choice. Of course, depending on several factors. In the end, though, anything seems like a step up from hundreds of cups heading to the landfill.
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2009, 08:06:21 AM »
I am sure it really would be no big deal -- if they are hot and thirsty then they will use whatever cups are in front of them.  If I were hot and thirsty and all that were available were room-temperature Old Milwaukee then I would drink that, and that stuff is nasty even cold.  8)
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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2009, 12:30:02 PM »
I just have to call out the ability to wash and sanitize, dry and pack up to 400 cups "with very little interruption to your schedule."

Either your schedule is wide open or you do not wash too many dishes  ;)

Our schools do not have cups -

Have you really loked at the cups at restaurants?  Some of them are nasty looking  :o  some investigative reporting I have seen at both the local and national level have shown that the water (in dishwashers) in many restaurants does not reach adequate temperature to effectively sanitize. 

I know diswashers are quicker now but back in the day when I washed dishes at restaurants it was about 5-10 minutes per rack - each rack held 25 cups.  Now assuming, you have enough racks and space to allow for complete drying - it would take two hours or so just for the washing cycle.  Now add the drive to and from the establishment, complete dry time and packing of the cups.  I see 4-5 hours of time being used for just 400 cups.

My tiny run/walk - we use about 600-700 cups.  That would effectively double the time.

What if you cannot find a local place that will allow use of their equipment?  My home does not have space to lay out 600-700 cups (in a proper manner) to adequately dry before packing.  Not too mention it would be all handwashing.

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Re: Whither the Bottle?
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2009, 12:49:18 PM »
Then you can stick to your defeatist outlook.  ;)
I rarely get a dirty glass/cup at a restaurant, perhaps it depends on what type of restaurants one chooses. 
I could fit at least 50 cups (likely closer to 100, depending on size) into my home dishwasher and use the short cycle and natural soap.  I could do lots of other stuff while the wash cycle is going each time, but perhaps some people prefer to stand around watching the dishwasher the entire time.  8)
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