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Offline MothAudio

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Lenght of Base Building Phase
« on: January 03, 2010, 08:42:05 PM »
Profile: 52 YO. Lifelong runner. 19 marathons completed. Avg. 2300 mpy last 5 years. My long range goal is to trim 8 minutes off my '09 marathon and run sub-3:20 as well as continue my sub-20 5k quest. Best last year was 20:57. Feel good about my marathon chances but I feel I need to really try something different if I hope to go sub-20 again. While my mileage was been decent I've never really flirted with high mileage.

In the last 10 weeks I've averaged 89.6 miles with a peak of 140 miles [PB] two weeks ago and backed that up with 115 miles last week. My 1st 100 mile week ever was in Sepetmber and since I've repeated that now six times. The more I run the more my body seems to adapt to it. Took a rest day on New Years and ran 10 miles Saturday and 15 today with 9 miles @ steady state and finished the last mile between 8.6-9.0 mph [tempo+ pace]. So my recovery is quite good. I feel strong and fresh.

My question is this how much longer should I continue my base phase? My plan is to go for the sub-20 5k in the Spring and the 3:20 in the Fall. I ran 3300 miles [PB] last year and suspect I'll run even more this year. I feel like I could run even higher mileage but finding the time is the problem. Should I continue to run 80+ mile weeks for a month or should I slightly reduce mileage and I begin to introduce more steady state runs like I did last Winter?  That worked out well last year as I had one of my best years. I'm just intrigued with the higher mileage but I wonder at what point I'll bump into deminishing returns.


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Re: Lenght of Base Building Phase
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2010, 10:10:00 AM »
You might have known this line was coming but it's too late to worry about diminishing returns. You experience diminishing returns as soon as you take your second step.

Assuming you're really worried about no returns or, worse, negative returns, I wouldn't be worried about that yet. My suggestion would be the same as it always is for building a training plan. Pick your next goal race (maybe a spring 5K attempt) and work back from there. If the question is what to do as you increase your intensity, I'd say maintain as much volume as possible while making sure your workouts don't suffer. If you can maintain volume, great. If not, don't worry if it falls back a bit.

If your question is whether or not you should begin increasing the intensity some, I'd say go for it to some extent. Thanks in large part to the words of denton and Andrew, as well as my reflections on my own personal experiences, I'm becoming a strong believer in never getting too far away from speed. If you're doing nothing but 80+ miles a week at slow paces, maybe it's time to drop it back to 75+ with some strides or tempo runs thrown in. Better yet, if you're now throwing up triple digit weeks of all slow running, stay in the 80+ range, maybe even stay in the triple digits if you can, while throwing in some faster work.

Don't be surprised if your volume naturally falls back some as you increase your intensity. However, let your body's response dictate the extent of that. Don't go in planning to decrease by X amount.
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Re: Lenght of Base Building Phase
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2010, 06:28:16 PM »
Yes, an experienced runner who is already fairly fit should not need to dedicate much time if any exclusively to aerobic base building, taking time away from building strength and speed.  Once a good level of aerobic fitness has been established then it may continue to be built in conjunction with speed and strength.

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Re: Length of Base Building Phase
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 12:53:18 PM »
« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 01:01:08 PM by Andrew A. »
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Re: Lenght of Base Building Phase
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 11:16:42 PM »
grashooper hits the nail on the head. Therein lies some of the issues that people with low training loads don't get. That being runners who take the sport on a more dedicated level are always many steps ahead (also why people who get injured lots have problems) and that is once u get to a certain level of aerobic background u have a lot more to take out. Of course there always has to be some buildup, but those who have a large training background can get away with not doing the buildup as long or as 'traditional' egs you can do some more intensive work than if coming off a low training load or a long term injury....


....but to answer your question approx 8-12 weeks for most.....

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