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« on: September 21, 2004, 12:38:35 PM »
This is a great link to a great website - for sports enthusiasts.  

http://www.footballfansfortruth.us/
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2004, 02:08:40 PM »
I truly hope you don't cast your vote for President based on a candidate's knowledge of sports.  If that were the case, why don't you just write in Pete Rose for President.  From what I hear, he's a dishonest ass, but he knows and can play sports.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2004, 02:24:27 PM »
Actually this is kind of tounge in cheek.  I vote for some one who states something and does not change his mind as fast as the wind blows.  Besides why write in Pete when I could write in Bret.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2004, 09:12:54 PM »
At least the site isn't anything substantive.  David Duke will be glad to know that your vote is as good as his.

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2004, 06:17:10 AM »
Stay anonamous Mr. Guest - hide behind that anonimity.  Plus Osama will be glad to know you are going to vote for his canidate.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2004, 09:40:39 AM »
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Besides why write in Pete when I could write in Bret.


Who's Bret?
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2004, 10:09:45 AM »
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I vote for some one who states something and does not change his mind as fast as the wind blows.


I prefer someone who understands that it is acceptable to change your mind when the information available changes. If (completely hypothetical of course) the information now says that doing strides is important so you state that strides are important and you will do them twice a week but ample evidence over the next few years shows that strides are detrimental, would you not be willing to at least be open to the possibility that maybe a change of mind is appropriate? I would hope you would look at the new information and at least be open to a different opinion.

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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2004, 11:26:58 AM »
This is entirely different than Senator Kerry's flip flop issues.  He changes his mind based upon whom he is talking to and if it seems to be what voters want.  He does not base it upon logic or new information that has any actual impact or that makes a true difference in the situation.  

To whom ever asked who Bret is Bret Favre of course.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2004, 11:58:20 AM »
and george bush changes his mind when dick cheney tells him to. I am really glad that other posters are participating in these threads because they can see how warped and out of touch your posts are. Furthermore, their posts indicate that they can see right through your half-assed incendiary and divisive partisan crap.

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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2004, 12:11:02 PM »
Thats right my good little liberal avoid the topic and throw around the hate.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2004, 01:52:51 PM »
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Thats right my good little liberal avoid the topic and throw around the hate.


It's funny that you would talk about liberals avoiding the topic and throwing around hate considering that your political comments are much more anti-Kerry than pro-Bush.  Candidate bashing is certainly not limited to the liberals/Democrats (not even in this Forum).


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To whom ever asked who Bret is Bret Favre of course.


Sorry for my ignorance. I don't live within 1,000 miles of Green Bay, so Bret Favre isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the name Bret.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2004, 06:10:50 PM »
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Stay anonamous Mr. Guest - hide behind that anonimity.  Plus Osama will be glad to know you are going to vote for his canidate.


You're just as anonymous, Einstein.  Bin Laden has to have been pretty happy with how the Bush administration has forgotten all about him and held back when they could have captured him in Afghanistan, but that's not a reason for me to vote Bush.  Even Nader couldn't have screwed up on capturing Bin Laden.


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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2004, 06:15:56 PM »
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Sorry for my ignorance. I don't live within 1,000 miles of Green Bay, so Bret Favre isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the name Bret.


Yes, the rest of the nation would think of Bret Hull first.  Guys, Ed1 clearly isn't interested in thoughtful discussion or conversation.  He's steeped in rhetoric and blindly swallows what he's fed by those who say the things he wants to hear.  His mind is closed and there's no sense in baiting the poor little thing except for cruel sport.

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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2004, 06:28:05 AM »
Hey Bart - just so you know I stated "of course" in a laughing manner.  There was no intent to state it in a matter of fact tone.  I was kind of going with some one that was known and came from your home State.  

To the "Guest"  keep hiding.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2004, 06:42:52 AM »
Well Erica - nice to finally know your name and you are very wrong in my anonimity.  Please click on my name and you'll see where I live plus other info.  So you are wrong.  

Also, do you remember the seven terrorist attacks against the US by Bin Ladin during the President Clinton era?  He promised to "hunt down and capture those responsible".  But what he actually did was spend ten times the money going after Bill Gates the greatest philanthropist of all time (donating billions of dollars).  

I am glad you think it is easy to find a single human on the planet - you must have been great at hide-an-seek.  Actually you have been great at hiding.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2004, 07:10:07 AM »
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Also, do you remember the seven terrorist attacks against the US by Bin Ladin during the President Clinton era?  He promised to "hunt down and capture those responsible".  But what he actually did was spend ten times the money going after Bill Gates the greatest philanthropist of all time (donating billions of dollars).


Another example of Ed bashing Democrats instead of saying something positive about President Bush.  It's okay, Ed; I imagine making positive statements about President Bush isn't an easy task.  :wink:
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2004, 07:46:32 AM »
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To the "Guest"  keep hiding.


Because being given a name makes a view valid?  Do you realize how stupid this looks?

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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2004, 08:19:37 AM »
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His mind is closed and there's no sense in baiting the poor little thing except for cruel sport.


I know his mind is closed and he has some serious issues. I guess I've been guilty of baiting him for "cruel sport" because I've relished the though of Ed blowing a gasket when he read my posts!

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2004, 08:28:58 AM »
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He promised to "hunt down and capture those responsible".  But what he actually did was spend ten times the money going after Bill Gates the greatest philanthropist of all time (donating billions of dollars).

Eddie, you've got no credibility here and your failure to support your claims only makes it worse.

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And you're GREAT at hiding your simplistic little head in the sand.

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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2004, 09:36:04 AM »
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Also, do you remember the seven terrorist attacks against the US by Bin Ladin during the President Clinton era?  He promised to "hunt down and capture those responsible".  But what he actually did was spend ten times the money going after Bill Gates the greatest philanthropist of all time (donating billions of dollars).


And now we have someone spending billions of dollars claiming to go after bin Laden but really promoting Al Qaeda recruiting, which is at an all-time high, while forgetting all about going where Al Qaeda actually is.

As for Gates, if you think Microsoft's constant illegal actions should be overlooked because of the small percentage of its profits that it gives to charity, I guess you're free to have that view. Personally, I think law breakers should be penalized and I'm sick of Microsoft's anti-competitive practices choking off anyone who even threatens to compete, often by breaking the law and then offering a settlement in return for not going through a legal process that would bankrupt anyone but Microsoft. It's too bad that so many people do not understand the software industry enough to understand how much Microsoft has stalled the advancement of software, not to mention overpriced the software that is available. Of course, the whole Microsoft issue is another topic but let's just say it would be in the best interest of computer users around the world to have Microsoft put in its place.

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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2004, 12:28:59 PM »
I never said Microsaft should not have been punished - but has anything come from those billions of dollars geing spent?  

I wish that we could have taken the billions from that and from this Iraq war and updated our Country's infrastructure - and put some into our natural resources.  That would have been money better spent.  

That being said - how do we prevent the next 9/11 do we obey the terrorists like the Spanish did?  I really would like to know a way to do it.  Certainly its not complete pre-emptive activity on a world wide basis but what is the answer?
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2004, 12:36:26 PM »
This is my third request - can we give this a try?

So can we all start over and respond to a post I had about discussing each issue we see as important and come up with ideas to correct those issues? I would like to write to whomever wins the White House in November with those issues and ideas to solve them. If we an obviously spirited group can work together it could be the start of the Runner's Party. We would be better off with more than two party's in this Country like when our Founding Fathers founded it.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2004, 01:12:35 PM »
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well, we begin by listening to renowned experts such as Richard Clarke instead of sidelining them when their recommendations don't mesh with narrow political interests. Counter-terrorism is a pretty large topic, listening to those who are truly proficient in it is advisable.

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2004, 01:14:54 PM »
I seem to recall about 100 posts or so ago - that we had some agreement on General Clarke.  But am I correct in assuming your response to working on issues together as a NO?
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2004, 01:18:48 PM »
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I think we did, but I was referring to Richard Clarke, the former anti-terrorist Czar who warned the Bush administration about impending terrorist attacks and was silenced. Please don't tell me that someone as well-informed as you are doesn't know about Richard Clarke.

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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2004, 01:28:53 PM »
Your words have jogged my memory - I am in the middle of writing case notes - crises plans and making telephone calls.  The name Clarke jumped out at me and I thought about the General - but that is a Wes.  I do remember hearing about Rich & the administration not giving him enough consideration.  

I am concerned about either Republicans or Democrats listening to some experts.  Just recently Senator Kerry stated that the current leader of Iraq (these are not exact words) did not know what he was talking about, when refering to the current status in Iraq.  Bush ignores the wrong people and now so is the Senator.  How can this be?  Elected people need to listen to advisors and experts as well as the people.  They have all seemed to forget that the government is of the people, by the people and for the people.
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2004, 02:38:02 PM »
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I never said Microsaft should not have been punished - but has anything come from those billions of dollars geing spent?


You really don't know much about the software industry, do you? Microsoft has been forced to at the very least scale back on their anti-competitive actions, their monopoly has been at least to an extent lessened, and there is some progress being made toward a more competitive atmosphere. Unfortunately, Microsoft's powerful lobby prevented more large scale results. Much more benefit per dollar for the average citizen than what has come from Iraq and it didn't even require over 1000 American casualties.

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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2004, 08:06:37 AM »
No I do not know much about the software industry that is your specialty -remember I am a social worker in the mental health field.  Are you skilled at preventing suicides?  I have prevented a number of them - that is where I have some skill.  Lets remember that some people have strenghths in some areas and others in yet other areas.  

Since you mentioned the benefit to America (Microsoft ((begrudginly)) allowing more competition) how about the benefit to the Iraqi people of no longer having rape and torture departments in the Sadam government?
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2004, 09:30:53 AM »
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No I do not know much about the software industry that is your specialty -remember I am a social worker in the mental health field.  Are you skilled at preventing suicides?


Many non-experts see the great benefits by putting Microsoft in its place. I never stated you should be an expert but your question came off as "that money could have been better spent" when I would argue it was very well spent.

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Since you mentioned the benefit to America (Microsoft ((begrudginly)) allowing more competition) how about the benefit to the Iraqi people of no longer having rape and torture departments in the Sadam government?


So it is the job of American taxpayers to spend hundreds of billions of dollars (or are we up to trillions now?) to make sure everyone in the world is doing well? If so, why aren't we spending hundreds of billions of dollars to overthrow the many other oppressive regimes in the world? Why Iraq and not all the other countries with track records just as bad if not worse? Saudi Arabia has a horrible human rights record. When is Bush planning to invade them and liberate their people?

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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2004, 10:56:59 AM »
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So it is the job of American taxpayers to spend hundreds of billions of dollars (or are we up to trillions now?) to make sure everyone in the world is doing well? If so, why aren't we spending hundreds of billions of dollars to overthrow the many other oppressive regimes in the world? Why Iraq and not all the other countries with track records just as bad if not worse? Saudi Arabia has a horrible human rights record. When is Bush planning to invade them and liberate their people?


Ryan, I couldn't agree more.  The argument that Iraq is better off without Saddam in power is completely irrelevant.  I believe the people of North Korea and Cuba would be better off with a change of leadership.  When do we attack these countries?  

If I recall correctly, the purpose of attacking Iraq had nothing to do with improving the lives of the Iraqi people.  We attacked because of Iraq's dangerous stores of WMD and to make American lives safer.  Arguments about an improved quality of life for the people of Iraq are simply excuses to make the war against Iraq look like a wise decision.
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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2004, 07:52:34 AM »
The world has made it the American job to do all of the protecting so on and so forth.  When we don't get involved the international community gets angry calls us greedy etc.... Then when we get involved they say we are terrorists and occupiers.  I think that we should finish the job in Iraq, get Osama and then pull all military forces from all countries.  We should close all of our bases world wide - and tell the world they are on their own.  We should also withdraw from the UN since they will never back anything they say and take our 80% funding with us.  These billions could be spent here to fix our problems.  

For less than a billion we could house all of the homeless.
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2004, 12:03:15 PM »
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The world has made it the American job to do all of the protecting so on and so forth.  When we don't get involved the international community gets angry calls us greedy etc....


There's a difference between getting involved and mounting an armed invasion.  War should always be the very last resort.  I don't think it was in this case.

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I think that we should finish the job in Iraq, get Osama and then pull all military forces from all countries. We should close all of our bases world wide - and tell the world they are on their own. We should also withdraw from the UN since they will never back anything they say and take our 80% funding with us. These billions could be spent here to fix our problems.


I don't think pulling all of our troops back to America would be a wise move. The end of the cold war with the USSR, East Germany, etc., lessened the need for a large a military presence in Europe.  However, maintaining troops in places like Turkey and South Korea does provide us with a tactical advantage against potential aggresors.
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2004, 12:54:00 PM »
I agree on the involvement versus invasion but we were involved for 12 years already - how much longer should we have continued that way - one or two generations?  There was no easy answer for that situation.  I think it best that Sadam is gone - now we must speed the process to their full independance.  The insurgency will worsen - the terrorists see Iraq as the last stand against the US - if we win there - we win overall.  

The tactical advantage is only about 12 hours or less in time.  We can get any where in less than 24 hours are there other advantages I do not know about.  Plus the South Koreans are starting a movement to want America out.  We should go ahead and do that.  Stay out of their business - if they go communist - then snactions can jump in place of our military.  My brother served two years in Korea - they have no positive regard for us.  

I pray that we all stay safe for the next 37 days.  If we make it past the election day we should be ok.
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2004, 02:53:09 PM »
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I agree on the involvement versus invasion but we were involved for 12 years already - how much longer should we have continued that way - one or two generations?


I disagree.  The UN was involved.  It sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but our involvement as part of the UN was a big difference from where we are now.

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The tactical advantage is only about 12 hours or less in time.  We can get any where in less than 24 hours are there other advantages I do not know about.  Plus the South Koreans are starting a movement to want America out.  We should go ahead and do that.  Stay out of their business - if they go communist - then snactions can jump in place of our military.  My brother served two years in Korea - they have no positive regard for us.


I'm certainly not an expert, but I think there's a psychological advantage to having U.S. troops near potential hotspots.  It's a show of muscle.  Sort of a constant reminder of our strength.  Just like you're less likely to speed if there's a cop behind you, a country is less like to cross the line if it knows what's waiting for it.  The Cuban Missile Crises was an example of this theory.
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2004, 08:17:55 AM »
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We can get any where in less than 24 hours are there other advantages I do not know about. Plus the South Koreans are starting a movement to want America out. We should go ahead and do that. Stay out of their business - if they go communist - then snactions can jump in place of our military. My brother served two years in Korea - they have no positive regard for us.


We CANNOT send entire armored divisions anywhere in the world in 24 hours. In addition, bases in other countries give the military the logistical framework (food, gasoline, hospitals, clothing, bullets, etc...) to carry out military operations.

Did your brother conduct some scientific surveys of South Korean public opinion? I'm not sorry to tell you I'm not convinced by such anecdotal "evidence."

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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2004, 08:51:08 AM »
No scientific data just that soldiers get jumped and beaten up all the time over there.  Plus I have seen PBS shows that have shown demonstrations against the US military presence by the younger generations - the college aged more specifically.  There were interviews with the older generations that remember communism and the war and made statements to the effect that the younger generation just does not understand.  

Also, we have not sent entire armored divisions anywhere since WWII - the first gulf war even with our bases over seas was made up of more State side units than anything else and took many months to build up.  It was at least six months of Desert Shield before the Storm.  

While I was in the Army in Germany - the majority of people (away from military bases) wanted American soldiers to go back to the US.  Political leaders knew that if that happened there would be great economic hits to their economy if that did take place.  

I do not think we should have a military presence around the world - there should be a NATO presence around the world.
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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2004, 11:43:09 AM »
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the first gulf war even with our bases over seas was made up of more State side units than anything else and took many months to build up. It was at least six months of Desert Shield before the Storm.


well, that's what I'm saying - it takes longer than 24 hours to mobilize & send heavy infantry & armor.

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I do not think we should have a military presence around the world - there should be a NATO presence around the world.


we are part of NATO.

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No scientific data just that soldiers get jumped and beaten up all the time over there. Plus I have seen PBS shows that have shown demonstrations against the US military presence by the younger generations


Fair enough. Still, there is a problem with getting out of South Korea and that is that South Korea has become an increasingly important trading partner, investor and creditor of the US and US companies. If we pull out and they get invaded by North Korea, things could get a little ugly for us.

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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2004, 01:27:53 PM »
It is scary how much these small and somewhat pathetic (not in the common use of the term) countries need us and we need them.  It truly is a small world - if our country cannot get past the current polarization I fear that the rest of the world will have more and more problems - not just us.
Last (first) Marathon Lakefront (2003) in Milwaukee WI 3:35:34, 1/2 mary PB 1:28:17
Next Up - Jingle Bell.  

Praying for the chance (schedule wise) next year to work for a sub three.

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