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  • in reply to: No Longer 105 marathons in 2008 #26874

    Maybe I'll just say a little. If I pointed out about a name (“old-coot”), I know that could make someone uncomfortable, and maybe then I would prefer to do it in the most gentle and kind way possible. Is it ok if I leave this discussion with this? In a sincere way, could I humbly ask to leave this discussion and maybe let you have the final word? Thanks.

    Perhaps I should apologize GTF. When I was speaking about affability, maybe I had in mind more of a person who does not use insults and who tries not to make people feel bad about actions considered immoral or stupid.

    If you mean your apology sincerely then of course I accept.  You did call me out, do you consider that affable?  Did you ever consider that I intended zero malice with “old coot,” that I was simply poking a little fun? 

    When I came here for advice with my problems, maybe I had done so hoping that someone, after so much failure with clergy and professionals, would be out there, possibly able to help. But please, let's not talk about that. Thank you. Maybe when I did seek out help online, it wasn't like I was calling people hurtful names, and maybe that's the kind of affability I had in mind.

    You are missing context here and taking this much too seriously.  It is much more likely that you dumping your problems onto these forums has made people feel needlessly uncomfortable than Macon would ever feel slighted by some flip comment that he will likely never see.  Macon seems like the type who would take it as intended, though, and laugh it off. 

    I do think some people who self-loathe can have SOME affable or gracious behavior. Some of them might do good deeds for others who are suffering. Are they constantly showing affability? Maybe not. But maybe neither are some people who claim to be happy and having lots of self-esteem but are rude in speech. I'm not saying you're rude or anyone else here though. I don't necessarily feel like debating this though. I've spoken about avoiding insults elsewhere and if anyone here feels that it's ok then…

    Well, I happen to not consider spilling personal problems out on a forum that does not have that focus at all to be exemplary of “gracious behavior.”  You chose to call out something I stated here and when you feel comfortable enough to do that you better be prepared to be called out as well.  To be honest, I have let you slide on some things I consider to be highly questionable – mostly out of empathy – and merely moved posts and threads away from the most inappropriate areas — in fact, this thread is going to get split and moved now that you have moved it completely away from the original subject.  Anyway, I figured that Ryan would do the dirty work if he had a problem with it.  Though you would have had no way of knowing it, I went easy on you because I could tell you were in a bad place. 

    And I'm not saying that an insult was definitely given. Words can have more than one meaning and what can be an insult to one might not be to others.

    Finally, do you think I did something wrong or immoral by pouring out some information about my problems here? Truly, actually, immoral?

    I do not have a big problem with it, I just consider it poor form.  Think about it this way, what if someone you really did not know well at all came up to you on the street or in school and just started talking about a big load of personal problems that made them feel “despondent?”  Would that not make you feel uncomfortable?  Personally, I would question why that person chose to come to me instead of going to someone with an interest and proficiency in such things — I might even laugh the person off as being a nut or a crank.  Even if it would not make you uncomfortable, it could easily make many other people uncomfortable.  Uncomfortable enough that they could want to avoid a running forum.  I mean this with all sincerity and positive intent, you might get better response to your personal problems if you post them to a chatline or forum or listserv dedicated to mental and emotional well-being and save the running stuff to share with us.

  • in reply to: 105 marathons in 2008 #26781

    I might not say that some of the posts here are bitter and angry, but I would prefer to not call Mr. Macon an “old coot”. This can be taken as an insult, as can “old-fart” and “old-fogey”. Wanting to avoid these names might make me seem like I'm a “nicey-nicey,” but it's been said that affability does no harm.

    Anyway, I think both stories like these as well as stories of runners running fast times can have a place. People can be inspired and/or motivated by seeing people do “big” things, but maybe more when they see people doing “big” things they can see themselves doing. Consider Jaouad Gharib. “'My love for the sport was triggered one day in January 1992 as I watched the live retransmission of the Marrakech Marathon. It was wonderful and I asked myself why I also could not run like these people and one day win this Marathon which is renowned internationally? This was the starting point of my life as an athlete'.” ( ) But I can wonder, would he have been moved in the same way if he was 52 instead of in his early 20s? Maybe a lot of people in their 50s would still be moved to start running by reading about or seeing runners running 2:30 marathons or better, but maybe a few would think something like, “Well, there's no way I could do that” and never begin running. But maybe some would of these who wouldn't run, would run if they saw everyday people running marathons, even if the people they saw ran very slowly compared to elites.

    Anyway, maybe in the news world reporters will give stories about unusual things, and maybe this was one of them.

  • in reply to: Samuel Wanjiru Shares the Secret of Training to Win #26853

    I was wondering about the rain comment too. If it rained for five days straight, would he really not run for those five days if it was during an important training phase? To each his own maybe.

  • in reply to: Happy Holidays from #24433

    Happy Holiday Season everyone. May you have some joy and relaxation now and throughout the new year (and in years to come).

  • And in case anyone would like to ask me if I'm happier submitting to the religious and moral beliefs of others or if I'm happier forging my own path, well, maybe I've had more deathly depressive thoughts with the former, but with the latter the fear of hell can be stronger, and that can be pretty depressing too.

    your posts bring back alot of thoughts.  I come from a huge Catholic family, I followed the rules like you, I knew my siblings gave in to urges, guess who had to overcome sexual hangups.   Just a thought, when the “rules” were made people your age were engaging in sexual activity because they married much earlier.   You aren't going to hell for giving into an urge that is natural, the person that put that into your head ought to.   You don't need to change your faith, maybe change your clergy.

    Well, even if I decided to “forget the Church,” there are things I have done and/or want to do that go against the teaching of the Bible, which for me is a very harsh book. Being a Christian is harsh for me. (And other religions can seem harsh to me also.) But, sometimes I can feel that I'm required to be one or else I can burn in hell.  🙁  I don't know that I can say that I ever “loved” being Catholic or Christian, but maybe when I was a very young child it wasn't all so crushing and negative for me. If I ever come back fully, I would so much like that it could be positive and that its rules wouldn't cause me to feel burdened in spirit. If anyone is going to tell me that it's my fault that I feel burdened and that I have to learn to accept and abide by these rules cheerfully and without sorrow, please don't tell me that. It just might add more pain. Thank you.

  • in reply to: 105 marathons in 2008 #26758

    I don't know, I'm not sure the guy was under a delusion that he was competing with the record and prize chasers. Maybe what he meant was that he just gets excited about being in the race with them. But maybe the Tiger Woods example could lend itself to confusion on that. But maybe you already knew all that and were just clarifying the matter.

    It probably helps that Macon's not too worried about his time. He sometimes finishes in the four-hour range but thinks of himself mostly as a five-hour guy. The world record is 2 hours, 3 minutes and 59 seconds, and Macon gets a simple thrill from knowing he sometimes runs the same course with those world-class athletes.
    “It's like some golfer being able to go out and play with Tiger Woods,” Macon said.

    Except that it is not, that is a myth.  Tiger Woods would never step on a golf course with the mindset of just enjoying the day outdoors and not worrying about the score, except maybe for an exhibition for charity.  If they teed off at the first hole together, Tiger Woods would already be pulling his ball out of the 18th hole before a golfer of Macon's caliber made the turn.  I have been on the same starting line with Alan Culpepper and Meb Keflizighi yet I am under no delusion that I was ever competing with either of them at any point once the gun went off.  
    So perhaps more like a streaker by a different name?  At least one (though often two or three) marathon per weekend for the entire year?  Not a bad personal achievement at all, though not really a significant sporting achievement.  It is somewhat bemusing to see the press giving time and space to an uncompetitive sideshow instead of someone who is actually great at the marathon, though I have become used to it by this point.  That is squarely on the media, kudos to him for following his bliss all the same.  At least he is not following an all too typical trend and blogging extensively or writing a book to draw attention to himself and a self-indulgent pursuit of self-defined achievement.

  • And in case anyone would like to ask me if I'm happier submitting to the religious and moral beliefs of others or if I'm happier forging my own path, well, maybe I've had more deathly depressive thoughts with the former, but with the latter the fear of hell can be stronger, and that can be pretty depressing too.

  • in reply to: Injury recovery time?? #26823

    I'm sorry about the injury. I don't know if these links will help, but they might. I hope you feel better soon.

  • in reply to: Seriously? #26745

    Thank you for the suggestion. How is the course for the Battleship half marathon? Is there good footing, decent space, and good aid stations? Thanks for the information.

    If you're looking for a long term goal consider training for your hometown Battleship half-marathon. I ran this in 2001 and thoroughly enjoyed the run, the people, and the atmosphere.

  • in reply to: Seriously? #26743

    Well, I've had my hollows and highs with running. If I'm not mistaken, my history in part is thus.

    When I was 14 in the fall of my first year of high school (2002 I think), I became infatuated with a girl, and I had seen a movie in which a guy infatuated with a girl began jogging to get in shape, and that's what I did.

    I never did go out with that girl, but continued jogging at times. One day in gym each student was doing what he wanted, I was doing laps, and the substitute teacher, a former cross country coach I think, seemed to think that I was motivated to be doing laps on my own, and that I could go far in running because of my motivation.

    So maybe that was an impetus for me to join the track team, which I did in the spring. But even then, maybe it wasn't until mid-season that I became more serious. In the first half of the season, I was running very slowly compared to others on the team, and let's just say our team wasn't the fastest in the area. In fact, some might say we stunk compared to the other teams in the city, and that I was on the lower end of this team. In early season, I also couldn't complete the distance runs without having to stop to walk. But I asked advice from the coach, did workouts on my own that he told me to do, improved some, and was awarded most dedicated on the team.

    After that season I trained hard and read a lot on the internet about running, and wanted to be really, really fast by the end of high school. But, some injuries came, and later an excessive fear of injury, which may have been part of my obsessive compulsive behavior. My obsessive compulsive behavior reached a pretty high point in my senior year, at which time I was homeschooled. Running without being worried was so hard, I eventually stopped running.

    But this past March, after some spiritual failure, maybe I felt I should start back to help spiritually. The competitive desires returned, maybe especially when watching this past Olympics. With all the depression and struggle I've been going through, becoming a competitive runner and achieving some success can seem like something that could enrich my life. 

    Sorry about this being so long.

  • in reply to: What do you consider "training like crazy" #26730

    Some questions came to mind.

    Is it possible that one could reach a point where so much running and/or similar exercise being done does not really do damage, but also gives no increased fitness benefit (cardiovascular, muscular, etc.) and is just burning extra calories?

    Also, about doing things other than running… now, he might be an exception to the rule, but if I'm not mistaken Rupp's coach said that Galen does a lot of other supplementary training ( ). It looks like in high school Rupp did 80 miles a week, but 20 of that in the pool ( ). Is aquatic training (at least the kind Rupp has done) a special activity outside running that can in fact be helpful?

    Thank you.

  • in reply to: What do you consider "training like crazy" #26728

    I think if you and some of the others here saw my training in the past few weeks you wouldn't consider it too dangerous.

    Unfortunately, none of us could have even the slightest idea of exactly what you have been doing and what you really have in mind.

    Right now I'm recording my running (at least a lot of it) in minutes and not miles, and maybe for just a few weeks I'm increasing about 75-100 minutes a week (I don't know for sure right now, maybe I would have to go check my running notes to get the exact number), and my easy pace for this running might be in the 9:40-10 range, but I've also been doing walks during the week also.

    It would be a better idea to see if you cannot get to a point where you can run all of your volume before increasing that volume

    Well, one thing is that I don't necessarily count the time I spend walking as part of my volume. I consider it time spent exercising. After reading in an article that if we did two hours of exercise a day we'd be even better off than doing an hour and that the more exercise one does, the more one is reducing one's cardiovascular risk ( ), I would like to get close to at least two hours a day and maybe eventually more, and it seems that if I try doing that by only running (which I might not want to do), that could take longer to get in that much exercise each day. But even if I took out my walks, I don't know that I would use all that time for more running; in other words, even if I stopped walking, I don't know that I would be comfortable doing any more running than I'm doing with the walking. I have been running twice a day some days, however. Also, what if I some day wanted to exercise four hours a day; four hours of running could be too much, but two hours of running, and two hours of something else might not be.

    I know some might prefer just to run with no other physical activities, but is it an absolutely dangerous and wrong thing to do for one to add other physical activities? If I'm not mistaken, in his book Jack Daniels suggests that other activities could possibly be of some benefit. Is it dangerous to just give it a shot? And even if it's not considered the best way to get better running results, and even if I don't get the best running results because of that, couldn't it possibly lead to improved overall fitness nonetheless? Thank you.

  • in reply to: What do you consider "training like crazy" #26725

    Thanks Ryan.

    I think if you and some of the others here saw my training in the past few weeks you wouldn't consider it too dangerous. Right now I'm recording my running (at least a lot of it) in minutes and not miles, and maybe for just a few weeks I'm increasing about 75-100 minutes a week (I don't know for sure right now, maybe I would have to go check my running notes to get the exact number), and my easy pace for this running might be in the 9:40-10 range, but I've also been doing walks during the week also. Some people might think adding more than an hour to an hour and a half of running to the week should only happen every third week or something, but I think for me it might be ok to do for a limited amount of time.

  • in reply to: What do you consider "training like crazy" #26723

    Again, I appreciate comments and I also appreciate concern.

    I would, however, like to graciously offer some words from a Running Times article, not that I necessarily agree with everything in Running Times or consider it a “Bible” for runners.

    “No one can find your limits but you…. not only can the end result of 'taking chances' be fruitful, but the pursuit can be invigorating as well.” ( )

    Of course, I don't think anyone here has told me I shouldn't take chances. Maybe it's more a matter of what chances seem too risky to take. But with that decision, maybe one has to consider where things fall in the order of importance for them. Anyway, I'm not sure I want to make a big thing about this. The question of what's right and wrong in training maybe for me is a lot less serious than some of the moral/religious questions I've been tormented by. Not that if I get an injury, that couldn't be serious for me. It's a chance I take, but I think so far I'm doing not too bad. This past week I've done a lot for me and have been tired and with some pains, but I don't think it's completely all the time. Plus I'm not in school right now, so maybe it's not too bad for now.

  • in reply to: What do you consider "training like crazy" #26720

    Well, I appreciate people's comments. I'm still personally open to trying things that might be out of the ordinary procedure, but I can appreciate other people's views. By the way, I think the last two lines of my last post were a kind of mistake, maybe something I wrote then wanted to take out but didn't notice until after.

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